Apr 262013
 

I’m venturing into the wild world of online dating, and I find that it is filled with more questions as I go along.

Frugal Portland loves bubbly

a glass of wine makes a first date less awkward

Namely, the first date.

Who should pay?

Back in the olden days, the boy asks the girl out, and since the boy is the only one with the money, he of course buys the milkshake and the burger. Easy. Simple. Girls never asked boys out, and they certainly didn’t meet anywhere other than the school or dance competitions.

Yes indeed, the olden days in my mind are exactly like Grease. Thank you, Olivia Newton John.

But now, on these various dating sites (Match or How About We) the rules have changed, and probably for the better. The logic goes like this. If you are a female, you will get all kinds of gentlemen (and some sleazeballs) sending you winks, pokes, intrigues and whatnot. Some will send you emails. My favorite one thus far? “Email me back, I will do ANYTHING you want.”

But, it usually goes a little something like this:

Person one initiates contact.

Person two responds, adds cute witty things, pokes a little fun at something in the other’s profile.

Person one responds, shows how they can take a joke and dish it back out.

Rapport builds.

They decide to meet. Meeting should happen sooner rather than later. Otherwise you just put a bunch of effort into building rapport with someone you don’t find a physical connection with. And, call me shallow, but that’s important. Sunglasses and a hat disguise very easily what a guy looks like in person. And women are just as bad, from what I’ve heard. Using pictures from 20 pounds ago is deceitful.

Who pays? Person one, always? Does gender matter? Does the person who suggests meeting have to assume they are footing the bill?

Is that why most people just want to meet for a drink?

I’ve found, based on… hmm, I should have kept better track… five first dates from the internet, that the norm is to split the cost.

And that’s fine with me. I’m never suggesting we go out for caviar and then to a steakhouse, so I’m comfortable paying my share. In fact, I think it’s prudent to carry enough cash to cover your part. Or tip, if you find someone who insists on paying.

And gentlemen? You will stand out in the crowd if you insist on paying.

I suppose I always thought the back and forth was part of the script.

You know, the script:

Me, reaching for my purse: “do you want to split this?”

You: “No thanks.”

Me: “Are you sure?”

You: “Yes, I’m sure.”

Me: “Thank you.”

But it turns out, that script is from the olden days. Now it’s more like, do you want to split it? Sure. Sometimes he’s the one that asks if I want to split it.

Lest you read into this and think I’m a good-for-nothing gold digger, let me be clear: I am an independent woman who can pay my own way. I can even buy a condo (with help). I can certainly afford my five-dollar drink or ten-dollar burger. But it’s a very nice gesture if you offer to take care of it. I don’t expect to meet someone who will swoop in and solve all my money problems. And that’s typically not what a first date is about.

So, who should pay for the first date? Either split it, or take care of it. And if you want my advice? Treating someone gets you brownie points.

Apr 132013
 

Two items of business today. Saving money on a cool dating site and meeting up with the coolest Portlanders on the internet!

How About We Coupon Code (50% off!)

The nice folks at How About We contacted me the other day.

They saw my review, and let me know that yes, in fact, there is light density of potential dates in my area. However! Thousands of people are signing up every day!

Then they gave me a generous coupon code.

So, if you’d like to try this cool site, and you’re looking to save money, then a) we’re already friends, and b) use the code “cupcakes”.

Portland April (B)logger Happy Hour

When: Wednesday, April 17, 5:30 pm

Where: Bailey’s Taproom, 213 SW Broadway, Portland, Oregon 97205

What it might look like:

Portland (b)logger happy hour

Hopefully with different doofuses (doofi?) photo bombing.

 

How my mom will hear it: Click here for that gem.

Please come! I want everyone to be there, but I’ll settle for just the people who will be in town on Wednesday.

If you are here, and plan on joining us, please let me know! I have an event posted on Facebook and can “officially” invite you then.

Apr 082013
 

When I wrote earlier about whether I should try online dating, you guys had a lot of great advice. It was pointed out that perhaps I wasn’t ready to date, and that my list was just a big list of excuses.

I can’t say that those commenters were wrong. I wasn’t ready. But then I got ready.

And I’m here to update my list based on my experiences in the wild world of dating people on the internet.

Pros of Online Dating

  • I get to meet new people.
  • Most people who are into online dating are fairly normal. Some are even cute.
  • It just changes how you meet someone, the rest of the rules are pretty normal.
  • I can meet people in my pajamas, and strike up fun conversations even when I don’t look presentable enough to go outside.
  • There’s always that chance that a spark will ignite, even when meeting people online.
  • I get to try new happy hours, or if I get to pick, I get to go to my favorite Portland places.
  • There are good dates,  there are mediocre dates, and there are dates that make for amazing stories (that I’m too kind and gentle to post here!).
  • In 2013, there is no stigma associated with online dating. So there doesn’t have to be any kind of fake story about how we “bumped into each other at a happy hour” (not that I’ve ever fibbed like that, ahem!).

 

pros and cons of online dating

he’s editing my profile

Cons of Online Dating

  • It’s a lot of work. I mean, I work in marketing, and my hobby is blogging, so I have to be charming and witty and on my game most of the day. The internet dating thing just adds more to that. There are back and forth emails, then there’s the “let’s go have a drink” conversations, and sometimes, I just want to hang out with my friends or by myself. Even extroverts hit their limit.
  • There are two kinds of people who are looking for dates online: those that can’t get dates otherwise because of some limitation, and those that are too lazy to go meet people in other ways. I’d like to think I’m in the latter group, but that might just be wishful thinking. Unfortunately, I have found that there are many people in the former group, who can hide some limitation for a while on the internet, only to have it blatantly obvious within one minute of meeting.
  • I am, frankly, not very good at dating. I think it’s way too obvious that I don’t like the game, so I tend to get excited too soon, and then get far too disappointed that he never called/texted/sent a postcard. Ever since I realized this trait, though, I’ve lightened up, and decided to take things slowly. Now I’m no longer thinking, as I get ready to go out, will this be my last first date? and turning that “crazy” off has done wonders for me.
  • Some people give off a very creepy vibe. I take my privacy (and safety!) very seriously, so when I get the feeling someone is kind of creepy, it makes me wonder if I’m doing the right thing being online.
  • It’s not always fun. Of course it isn’t. There is a real temptation to try to cover all my bases and join up with all the sites, but the idea of that is repulsive. Andrea already did the legwork to let me know never, ever, to do Plenty of Fish, so I have it narrowed down to two.

My Experience with Dating Sites

I don’t know what finally made me decide to try, but I think, honestly, I clicked an ad on an NPR article. It was for a different kind of dating site called “How About We” and instead of an intense profile, you just answer some very basic questions and then suggest a date. “How about we… check out xyz at the something or other”. Fun! They let you do a few things for free, but then if someone emails you, you have to pay to see it.

But it’s fun — you get to look at fun things to do in your city rather than see about someone’s income level and education and number of children. And also you have to pay to read messages. So the instant I got a message, I pulled out my credit card. Vanity, right?

And, even though I am in marketing and I know how to price things, the dating pricing structure totally works on me. It’s only marginally more expensive for three months than for one. So, of course I signed up for three months (even though in the back of my head I hoped that the message that was waiting for me was from the one and I wouldn’t need that long! — I told you, I’m better now).

Then I realized something. This site is really new. So, as cool as it is, there are only 100 guys in my area on it. While each and every one of them is awesome in his own way, I don’t think I’ll be going out with very many of them.

So, I thought, while I’m here on the internet and interested in online dating, I’d diversify. I signed up with OKCupid as well. That is a free site, with everything that goes along with that. My user name has the word frugal in it (are you surprised?) so sometimes I get really good lines, like, “you’re not very frugal with that smile” which… does that work? For anyone? But there are some nice guys on there as well.

My sister thinks I should give Match a try but I have this feeling that I do not need to be on three dating sites.

Something about overkill.

 

Feb 072013
 

All right, so I’m not exactly a dating expert (I said it so you don’t have to!) but I have spent a fair amount of time playing the dating game. So, I feel at least a little qualified to give dating advice.

Buying a girl a drink at a dance club only ensures that they get a free drink.

Frugal Portland says don't buy drinks for girls

don’t buy drinks for girls who only want free drinks

Guys, this one’s for you. I overheard a guy lamenting his bad luck. How he bought a girl a few whiskey drinks, and she wanted to dance. So he followed her. And, what do you know? She danced with someone else. I could have predicted that, even in the retelling.

The last time I was at a dance club, I was there with a few girlfriends. One guy decided to dance and befriend us. He couldn’t decide which of us he liked best, so he bought each of us a drink. That was appreciated, to be certain, but it was a fruitless effort. He eventually asked one of the girls for her number. The joke that night was on him, since the girl he chose is not interested in men. That was four drinks he didn’t have to buy.

A better choice, if you’re still feeling generous, is to buy a girl a drink at a place where you can hear her answer when you ask her name. Dance at dance clubs. Talk at other bars. And don’t be a creep. If you buy a drink, do it because you are being kind, not because your $4 gesture means you are owed anything.

This is a game, and it’s best to play by the rules.

HIMYM – Three Days Rule from Inga Vinje Engvik on Vimeo.

It amuses me to realize that there really are specific dating rules. My friend who joined me at the Meetup a couple of weeks ago was evidently very popular among the women in his part of the crowd.

He exchanged numbers with at least one girl, who he thought was cool.

Until she texted him the next night, wanting to hang out.

When I saw him again, I said, “it must be kind of flattering, right, to have someone so into you that they want to hang out again?”

The answer, evidently, was no.

He won’t hang out with her, even if she is cool, because she was so available to him.

The phrase “you remind me of my ex” should never be spoken when first meeting someone.

And, in fact, strike it from your lexicon altogether. When I dug deeper into my friend’s reluctance to give this over-eager girl another chance, he told me that she said to him, “you know what? You remind me a lot of my ex-husband, only you’re more social.”

That’s when I stopped pestering him. That girl does not need a chance to hang out with my friend. If I could talk to her, I would tell her that she’s just not ready to put herself out there. Breakups are a healing process. Breaking up a marriage takes even more time to get over.

When you get someone’s number, it’s best to call. Not text.

This is another tip for the guys. We know it’s significantly easier to text someone. You don’t have to put yourself out there to hear “no” and somehow it’s easier to text someone and never hear from them again instead of calling to find out she’s busy washing her hair/dog/grandmother.

If you call, though, we remember. You get bonus points. We think it’s cute when you’re nervous.

If you give him your number, you should wait for him to call.

This one’s for the girls, and is especially true if the exchanging of numbers were your idea. Wait for him to call. If he hasn’t called within three days, you have two choices. You can write him off, or you can try to set up a date with someone who didn’t think enough of you to pick up the phone after three days.

That’s all for now, friends! I could go on (and on) but these were a few quick observations from the last couple weeks.
Jan 302013
 

I wrote my pro/con list about online dating. It was brought to my attention that many things on the con list do not have anything to do with the internet, and that maybe I wasn’t ready to put myself out there, whether “there” was the internet or the … local bars.

Portland Print, from Edward Juan, available at buyolympia.com

Portland Print, from Edward Juan, available at buyolympia.com

Holly would really like me to try online dating. She makes the same argument that my coworker does. Something along the lines of “where do you think you’ll run into someone, then? Work? The grocery store?” and I get that, I do. I am frugal, so my day typically looks like this:

  • Go to work
  • Go to yoga
  • Go hang out with friends either at my house or their house (hey, I love family dinner) or go to the grocery store
  • Go home

That’s the truth, with some variation. I mean, sometimes I go to yoga after work, not before!

But it leaves little room to meet someone, unless we’re romantically reaching for the same pear, then we’ll tell a joke and fall in love in the produce section.

In a break from routine, I went out to dinner with a dear friend last week. I told her I didn’t want to do online dating. I want to experience the magic. She listened patiently, and said, “okay, I won’t make you do online dating. But you’ve got to get yourself out there! I’m not letting you give in to your reclusive self.” She also gave me tips on how not to be awkward.

Here’s a new-to-me one: when you part ways, say something about looking each other up on Facebook. You don’t have to go “phone number” with every  new person.

This friend is really smart, and has a magnetic personality. You’d love her. She knows how to get attention without much effort (looks definitely have something to do with it but also she appears so friendly that you’re drawn to her.

I listened to her advice, and nodded.

But really, I’m stumped. If I’m adamant about not meeting someone online, where am I expecting to meet someone?

This weekend, I went to a coffee shop to do writing. Which is less frugal than staying home, but it’s at least getting me “out there” where I may or may not meet someone friendly.

Then, I went to a concert with my friends. On a Sunday Night!

Both of these things I wouldn’t have done without the gentle prodding of someone I trust.

However! I’m just about out of ideas. So, I’m going to ask the audience on this one:

Where, exactly is this “out there” that I need to get to?